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    Purgatory
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    For other uses, see Purgatory (disambiguation).
    Purgatory commonly refers to a doctrine in the Roman Catholic Church, which posits that those who die in a state of grace undergo a purification in order to achieve the holiness necessary to enter heaven.[1] This purification of the elect is entirely different from the punishment of the damned in hell.[2] The Catholic doctrine holds that the souls in purgatory undergo temporal punishment due to venial sins or as satisfaction due to their transgressions,[3] and that they can be aided by the prayer and sufferings of the faithful and the Sacrifice of the Mass.[4] Hence central to the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory is prayer for the dead.

    In Roman Catholic teaching, every sin carries a punishment, and there are two punishments for sin: eternal punishment inflicted in Hell, and temporal punishment inflicted in this life or in purgatory if left uncompleted upon death. Forgiveness of sin, for example through the absolution granted by confession, remits the eternal punishment. Penance, such as almsgiving, prayer, fasting, and suffering remit temporal punishment. Thus temporal punishment is a satisfaction for sin.[27]

    Catholics do not derive the concept of Purgatory from the Scriptures. Instead it comes from one of the Apocryphal books, 2 Maccabees. In 2 Maccabees 12:38-46, Judas Maccabee orders that sacrifices be offered in the Temple in Jerusalem for slain Jewish soldiers who had worn pagan amulets. Some people have seen this story as biblical justification for the teaching on purgatory, and it is the passage the Catholic Church uses to justify the doctrine and practice of praying for the dead.



    The primary Scriptural passage Catholics typically point to for evidence of a purgatory is 1 Corinthians 3:15, which says, "If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames."? The passage (1 Corinthians 3:12-15) is using an illustration of things going through fire as a description of believers' works being judged. If our works are of good quality "gold, sliver, costly stones"? they will pass through the fire unharmed. If our works are of poor quality "wood, hay, and straw"? they will not pass through the fire and we will not be rewarded for them. The believer whose works are all burned up will still be saved, but all their works will be burned up and only the believer themselves will escape through the flames. This does not mean a believer literally GOES THROUGH THE FLAMES.. sTUDY IT YOURSELF AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.

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    Re: IS THE TEACHINGS REAL ON PURGATORY?

    If it's what they believe, more power to them.
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    Are you a Christian? Because you just seem to be okay with anything.

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    Re: IS THE TEACHINGS REAL ON PURGATORY?

    My religion or relationship with whatever God I have frankly is none of your business. As of right now Rocketer, this was a very bad idea to create this Religion Forum due to the fact that this "hokie bird" character seems to want to do nothing but post his spiritual and philosophical views on the board. (If you don't believe me, take a look at all his posts and see how many are actually about sports or other subjects besides religion). If I wanted some of that Old Time Religion, I'd get up off my duff and get into church. Like I said earlier, just another instance of someone trying to ram this down my throat. And before anyone says "Well, you don't have to read those posts...", I have the right to read anything I want to, and if some thing offends me, I'll damm sure let you know. And on that subject, I will not read the religion forum anymore, nor read anymore of this characters posts. End of discussion.
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    If you did not want to hear it you would not be over here on the Religion forum. No one is cramming anything down your throat, but all of this religious speaking that you say Hokiebird is doing belongs on this forum.
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    Re: IS THE TEACHINGS REAL ON PURGATORY?

    Seems you just want to be an instigator. So once again, here are the last few lines of my post and maybe you can read it as a whole this time:

    "And before anyone says "Well, you don't have to read those posts...", I have the right to read anything I want to, and if some thing offends me, I'll damm sure let you know. And on that subject, I will not read the religion forum anymore, nor read anymore of this characters posts. End of discussion."

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    Oh poor little baby... just kidding.... have I not given you Bible references to the things that I have stated? Why are you getting so mad? Stand for what you believe.... what I write about is what I feel like God has shown me.... just trying to plant a seed... if you do not wish to agree with it then don't. Simple as that.

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    Re: IS THE TEACHINGS REAL ON PURGATORY?

    "just trying to plant a seed..."

    I know I stated earlier that I wouldn't post on the Religion forum again, but that statement above really incensed me. I thought this forum was created for religious debate, not trying to convert the masses. If you're trying to "plant a seed", you're trying to convert someone to your way of thinking. Now I'm all for religious freedom...by all means, worship however and whatever you want. What I will not tolerate, however, is having it pushed in my face, now even on an internet message board. Now moderators, if you can't see this now as a blatant effort to convert people to the flock, then you need to open your eyes. I for one do not think that has a proper place on this message board.
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    Re: IS THE TEACHINGS REAL ON PURGATORY?

    Where then does "To day shalt thou be with me in paradise"
    come into play? Teachings on purgatory are contrary to any teachings of the KJV or NIV, as we are also reminded that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. The rich man wasn't looking from purgatory to Heaven, he was looking from Hell into Heaven.

    Revelation is pretty clear also on the judgment that both Christians and the lost shall face. The Great White Throne of judgment for the lost, and the Mercy Seat of Jesus Christ for believers.

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    There's still time to change the road you're on."

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    Re: IS THE TEACHINGS REAL ON PURGATORY?

    I don't see that purgatory has any basis in Scripture. It's basis is in Dante's Inferno. Catholicism has done much to thwart the growth of believers. Luther began the reformation, but there's much to be done to escape the erroneous catchings of Rome.

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